还是那个论坛，有老外在关于中国话题的论坛上咨询：

想要了解中国历史去中国大陆好还是台湾好？

Is it better to go to mainland China or Taiwan for Chinese history?
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I am a really big lover of history and have been reading a lot about Chinese dynasty history (specifically Ming Dynasty). I know that traveling to either one won’t be possible for the foreseeable future due to Covid, but I would like to go on a trip at some point to look at historical sights/artifacts.

I don’t know a ton about modern Chinese history, but I’m aware that a lot of historical mainland structures/artifacts were destroyed during the cultural revolution. With that in mind, is it better to visit Taiwan for a more history-focused trip?

Thanks!
翻译：我是一个非常热爱历史的人，并且一直在阅读很多关于中国王朝历史（特别是明朝）的书籍。我知道在可预见的未来，由于 Covid 的原因，去中国任何一个地方旅行都是不可能的，但我想在未来某个时候去旅行，看看历史景点/文物。我对中国近代史知之甚少，但我知道许多历史大陆建筑/文物在文革期间被摧毁。考虑到这一点，去台湾进行一次更注重历史的旅行是不是会更好呢？
谢谢！

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OkPersonality6513
5 hr. ago
Taiwan will give you Taiwanese and Kuomitang history. So Chinese history from the warlords era and moder Taiwan. This history will be relatively impartial and present all side.
China will have better monuments and historical artefacts. But. Museums mostly display artefact and don't explain much else. The history will also be very biased toward the narrative of a single Chinese political entity and culture.
So if you want to experience old buildings go to China. To learn about Chinese history properly go to a western university.
翻译：台湾会给你台湾和国民党的历史。所以从军阀时代到现代台湾的中国历史。这段历史将是相对公正的，会全方位的呈现在你面前。在中国大陆则会有更好的古迹和历史文物。但，中国博物馆主要展示文物，并没有太多解释。历史也将非常偏向于单一中国政治实体和文化的叙述。
所以如果你想体验老建筑去中国。但是要想真正的了解中国历史，就去西方大学。

RichardtheGingerBoss
4 hr. ago
To learn about Chinese history properly go to a western university.
This. +1
翻译：要正确了解中国历史，就去西方大学。这个答案+1

RoboTreee
5 hr. ago
edited 5 hr. ago
I have not been to Taiwan. but visiting China is totally worthwhile. It will give you great appreciation for museums you have back home (assuming you have decent museums in your home country).I have been to a few super cool places in China that have remained intact for the most part, Luoyang is a cool city to visit, Xian of course, Beijing has tons of interesting stuff.If you are looking for small cultural artifacts like paintings and sculptures the Guomindang escaped with many of those artifacts at the end of the civil war and they are found in museums in Taiwan. But for big grandiose thing like the great wall, teracotta warriors, massive ancient buddhist sculptures in the sides of mountains, Mainland China will be better I think. But know that everything in the mainland is shaped by the party, so it gets a bit annoying at times.
翻译：我没去过台湾。但访问中国是完全值得的。它会让你开始喜欢你家乡的博物馆（假设你在你的国家有像样的博物馆）。我去过中国几个超级酷的地方，大部分都完好无损，洛阳就是一个，当然，西安，北京也有很多有趣的东西。如果您正在寻找绘画和雕塑等小型文化文物，这些都在国民党在内战结束时带着逃跑了，现在在台湾的博物馆。但是对于像长城，兵马俑，山上的古代巨大佛像这样宏伟的东西，我认为中国大陆会更好。但是中国大陆的一切都是由共产党塑造/编辑的，所以有时会有点烦人。

WantWantShellySenbei
6 min. ago
Luoyang is wonderful! White Horse Temple, Shaolinsi, Longmen Caves…!

翻译：洛阳是一个完美的城市，白色的寺庙，少林寺，龙门石窟……

Shillbot888
Cake day
2 hr. ago
Was disappointed to find the city wall in Xian was made up of bricks where the factory had stamped them with a date in the 80s.I feel most stuff here is just a modern recreation.And every "old street" in China looks brand new and sells the same tourist shit.
翻译：但是你会失望地发现西安的城墙是用新砖砌成的，工厂在上面盖上了 80 年代的日期。我觉得这里的大多数东西只是一种现代娱乐。中国的每条“老街”都焕然一新，卖的都是狗屎一样的旅游纪念品。



miiling  这位是台湾人
edited 6 hr. agoTaiwan’s interaction with mainland China during Ming Dynasty is very limited. House of Koxinga’s territory only covers a small part of southern Taiwan along the coast. You can still find historical buildings, temples in Tainan but that’s about it.
Some examples:
Grad Matsu Temple
Tainan Confucian Temple
Temple of the five concubines
Temples in Taiwan are still quite busy with people practicing religion, which is not allowed in China. Tainan is a lovely city itself so I would recommend travel there. (It has a mixed of historical buildings from Ming, Qing and Japanese era scattered around.)

If you want proper China history, I would expect China to be the better place to go. Im Taiwanese and I’ve never been to China so not sure how much culture was destroyed in mainland after culture revolution.

翻译：明代台湾与中国大陆的交往非常有限。郑成功的地盘只占台湾南部沿海的一小部分。你仍然可以在台南找到历史建筑、寺庙，诸如此类。
几个例子：
大妈祖庙
台南文庙
五妃庙
台湾的庙宇仍然很忙，人们信奉宗教，这在中国是不允许的。台南本身就是一个可爱的城市，所以我建议去那里旅行。（它的周围散布着明、清和日本时代的历史建筑。）如果你想要了解正确的中国历史，我觉得中国是更好的地方。我是台湾人，我从来没有去过中国，所以不知道文革后大陆有多少文化被破坏了。

Sylli17
Solid take. I would say though that most 'historical' sites on the mainland are not the experience someone would like if they are going to a place to actually experience and learn about history. They are busy, commercialized, renovated, and generally fake AF.

翻译：说实话，我想说的是，大陆上的大多数“历史”遗址并不是一个能真正体验和了解历史的地方。它们都很繁忙、商业化、翻新，而且通常是假的 。

TuzzNation
24 min. ago   这位估计是一位海外的粉红同学
布达拉宫 is fake AF?
what about 长城, 兵马俑，天坛，苏州园林，周口店北京人遗址，莫高窟，承德避暑山庄寺庙，曲阜的孔庙、孔林、孔府，乐山大佛，丽江古城，云冈石窟 etc et
you understand the term "World Heritage Site?" literally take only 5 seconds to google it and you decide to embarrass yourself here.
shall I continue the list? bitch please or get your ignorant ass f out here. what you said is freaking hilarious

翻译：布达拉宫是假AF？长城、兵马俑、天坛、园林、周口店云北京石窟、莫高窟、承德避暑山庄寺、孔庙、孔林、孔府、乐山大佛、丽江古城等等，你明白“世界遗产”这个词吗？从字面上只需要 5 秒钟谷歌它，你决定在这里让自己难堪。我要继续列出清单吗？婊子，扭着屁股滚出去。你真他妈搞笑。


ChaBuDuo8

Before I went to China, I had underestimated the effects of the cultural revolution and the appropriation of culture by the party. One of the main reasons I went was for the history and I was extremely disappointed.

Museums will show objects labelled as 5000 years old when they are clearly replicas. Ancient city walls are made with concrete. Old parts of the city are rebuilt into kitschy tourist traps. In one town I visited, they were taking apart beautiful old buildings Infront of my eyes and being replaced with replicas. I went to a taoist temple, touched the walls and found they were made of fiberglass, built on top of the ruins, doing irreparable damage.

It's difficult to cut through what is traditional culture and what is propaganda since the party has positioned itself as cultural gatekeeper. A simple example is the name Spring Festival, which was adopted by the party and isn't some ancient name and people have no idea.

Ultimately, the party has destroyed much of the history and uses it as a tool, they have no respect for it. I have never been to Taiwan, but I hear they have a lot more respect for history, preserving buildings, texts and indigenous languages.

翻译：在我去中国之前，我低估了文革的影响和党对文化的捏造。我去的主要原因之一是历史，非常失望。博物馆展示标有 5000 年历史的物品，但很多产品明显是复制品。古城墙是用混凝土砌成的。城市的旧区被改造成俗气的旅游陷阱。在我参观的一个城镇，他们正在拆毁我眼前美丽的老建筑，并被复制品取代。我去了一座道观，摸了摸墙壁，发现它们是用玻璃纤维制成的，建在曾经拆除的废墟之上，造成了无法弥补的破坏。党把自己定位为文化守门人，什么是传统文化，什么是宣传，很难分清。一个简单的例子就是春节这个名字，这个名字是党所采用的，并不是什么古老的名字，人们不知道。
最终，党毁掉了大部分历史，把它当作工具，他们不尊重它。我从未去过台湾，但我听说他们更尊重历史，保护建筑、文字和土著语言。

Shillbot888
will show objects labeled as 5000 years old.At least they're trying.I've been in museums that show items from 70 years ago like their historic relics.
My nan got older shit in her house
翻译：至少他们试着制造5000年的文物，我去的博物馆，里面陈列着 70 年前的物品，比如他们（共产党）的历史遗迹——我奶奶房子里有比这更老的狗屎！

还有很多，翻译起来太麻烦了，很多人都提出了不同的意见，有人倾向于大陆，有人倾向于台湾，对大陆吐槽最多的是党文化和对文物的破坏以及很多重新复原的景区。对台湾主要是说 台湾博物馆，但是有些建筑只有中国大陆能看到，台湾太少。

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[ 此貼被南腔北调人在2022-06-08 17:16重新編輯 ]

中国人都不了解真实的近代史，老外来了会变的更糊涂。

最近各地陆续撤离核酸检测检查点，全力复苏各省经济。
最明显的就是股市大盘，稳步盘升。有股票的朋友，紧盯最近政策趋向全民共存，还是包子清零。手里有股票的，只要全民共存就持有，大盘恢复性上涨无忧。如果空仓的也可以建仓，恢复经济还是铁公基，靠高科技没门，各地投资规划合计N多万亿，中堂放水提振经济，最后还是靠基建，水泥钢材等等。不必担心大盘震荡，只要包子清零政策消亡，资本市场就会先知先觉。
五毛红粉就别信了，即便有意进场，也会亏钱，各种因素导向操作失误亏损，这是天道。

大陆除了地名是真的其他还有真的吗，早就拆光了，所谓古城都是钢筋混凝土。美国尚有4座世界文化遗产古城，大陆才俩，丽江和平遥。故宫是文化遗产，你能说北京是吗？大裤衩子玻璃蛋子是？北京还有一点古城的样子吗？太平天国横扫南方所到之处寺庙道馆土地庙关帝庙全拆，垬党破四旧文革确实全国性的，时间跨度长，破坏程度空前绝后，是对中华5000年文化一次彻底的毁灭

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这个论坛大多数都是对中国感兴趣的外国人，或者准备前往中国，或者已经离开中国，或者正在中国。上面水军很少，偶尔见中国或者台湾人在上面回帖。

大多数言论比较客观，很少有偶尔的极端言论，但非常少。

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49以后我们就没有历史只有四旧了！

老外开头都不谢邀人在美国刚下飞机的，差评！

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去中国好。
了解中国历史，特别是1949年后的历史，比如“三年大饥荒”，“三反运动”，“89学潮”…
外国学者或者外国普通人，想了解这些历史，比如上网查询，去地方图书馆查阅资料，很快就会被成为“维稳对象”，或者叫做【镇压对象】，国安人员会很快警告，接着驱逐出境。
了解中国现代史，1949年后的历史，本身就是违法行为。
此后老外已经得到答案了————想了解中国历史，首先要了解中共，否则很快被赶走。

台湾，日韩都比大陆强！这里没有真正的历史！只有杜撰的历史

和平统一是不要想的，越往后越离心离德

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在台灣學中文的老外確實越來越多。只想要瞭解中國歷史要去哪？要看需求。中國畢竟5000年文化遺產，而台北故宮只有皇家收藏的書畫小物。古建築古城鎮歷史遺跡還是要去大陸看，雖然很多真假難辨而且被大量低級商業化了。49年以後挖出來的特殊文物也只有大陸有，台灣可以看的是明清閩客文化，民俗傳統，宗教，還有南島語族的文化傳統保留算完整。
特別要講宗教一節，大陸算是徹底把宗教政治化了，留下的是空有其表的廟宇，而台灣卻是無上限的放任宗教活動，甚至招致一些反感，宗教形成很大的一股民間勢力，不管是佛教道教還是天主基督都一樣，財力雄厚信徒衆多，不過基本都在行善就是。
日本統治台灣50年，國民黨也差不多50年，所以可以見到一些融合日本和中國各省的特色建築，小吃，民俗傳統。看中國歷史應該是去中國，台灣倒是傳統中華文化為根，閔客文化為主，融合各省特色的一個地方。

看看，好不好的没法说，只能说这几十年发展太迅速了。

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